Images from Diversions of the Groovy Kind

Interview excerpt from The Comics Journal Archives.


TOM SUTTON: And I think the only time I ever had it spelled out for me was the time when I was in New York, and It think it was the first of those, let’s-have-a-cartoonist’s-union thing. Neal Adams was there, and da da da da, right? I still have a vivid memory of Adams. He really impressed me. He was trying to get these people to be real. You know?

GARY GROTH: What function was this?

SUTTON: Some people brought me there. We’re going to have a union. We’re going to… I didn’t believe that, either, but I went along.


GROTH: And Neal was basically trying to get artists together to challenge the prevailing conditions?

SUTTON: Yes. Yes. And against him was coming this tide of, “Oh, if we do this we’ll all be out of work!” The man was trying to explain ways in which they could handle the situation. They weren’t listening to him. I think that I myself was lost in this. I said, This has nothing to do with me.


GROTH: Neal called a very big meeting in 1977, I believe, that I attended. That doesn’t sound like the meeting that you’re referring to.


GROTH: The one you’re referring to sounds years earlier than that. There was a sense in which professionals acknowledged that they were being ripped off.

SUTTON: They took it as part of the…

GROTH: As an acceptable level of being ripped off.

SUTTON: Absolutely. It was pathetic. There were all of these people standing around saying, “That’s the way it’s always been. That’s the way it’s always going to be.”